Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Slow News Day

It's a slow news day in Washington. Ironically, the House of Representatives cancelled votes so Members could go down to Florida for the re-launch of our manned space program. Then, the shuttle launch was cancelled because of a fuel tank sensor. The entire afternoon of 24-hour cable news has been filled with talk about when the launch will now occur.

This has to be a relief to Karl Rove, the other subject of the slow news cycle. In 2003, Rove allegedly told a reporter not to trust a Kerry supporter about stories regarding nuclear materials and Iraq and during the course of that conversation confirmed that the Kerry supporter's wife worked for the CIA. She was apparently not an undercover CIA agent, nor did Rove use her name. So, while he apparently violated no known law, Democrats are taking advantage of the slow news cycle to whip this story into a frenzy.

For more details on the Wilson/Plame/Rove story visit here

We at Run with Ryun do not condone any violation of confidentiality that protects our CIA agents, nor any other violation of the law for that matter. We do find it interesting that the press has nothing better to do than to speculate about a secret grand jury investigation that has not yet been concluded. We invite you to draw your own conclusions.


Blogger Josh Rosenau said...

On what basis do you say she wasn't an undercover agent? The CIA seemed to think she was when they asked the DOJ to investigate.

2:52 PM  
Blogger Democrats for Ryun said...

The wing nuts in the Democratic Party -- such as you -- with your far left views and blind allegiance to Howard Dean’s talking points are driving Democrats like me to vote Republican.

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CIA believed Plame/Wilson's undercover status had been compromised via the Aldrich Ames case. Granted, her exact status is not known, but once the grand jury investigation is completed, we'll probably know more. However, most people around Washington have come to the conclusion that it was a known fact that she worked for the CIA by people without a security clearance.

However, that's not the point. The point is that Democrats have made the claim that this was an overt attempt by Karl Rove to exact political revenge. Joe Wilson claimed that the Bush administration sent him to Niger to investigate the uranium claim and that when he came out and said there was no evidence that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium, that they wanted to get him. It's not true. All major news organizations are admitting that Cooper called Rove about Welfare reform and asked about the Wilson trip to Niger as an aside. Rove didn't reach out to him. Also, a memo came out from Wilson's wife Valerie that she actually suggested the trip, not VP Cheney (as was her husband's claim).

7:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wilson's wife had been working at Langley for much of the last 6 years, going in and out of the gate. Not real covert.

9:03 AM  
Anonymous CenterRight said...

Pat Roberts's bi-partisan Intel Committe report found that Wilson was less than forthcoming with the truth regarding this situation.

I checked out josh's blog. Wow, what a bunch of DNC, dailykos, MoveOn garbage in there.

He buys into leaving out the first part of the quote about uranium in Africa, that British intelligence reported it, which is what the President said. British intelligence had reported it, and sticks by that report to this day.

Not sure how you could call Wilson's wife covert, but hey, I'm willing to wait for the investigation to bring those facts out.

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Josh, I read your blog post. I see you left out the last paragraph from this post. You make it sound like Ryun doesn't respect the law or want the grand jury process to work, which is clearly not true.

Guess we should just write your missives off as another deceitful attempt by the liberal left to smear Republicans. Keep on publishing the Howard Dean talkers. It's good to know he has another loyal footsoldier in Lawrence.

9:33 AM  
Blogger Josh Rosenau said...

DforRyun: How is my question "wing nut"y?

Anonymous: I'll break my general rule against replying to anonymous cowards to point out the copious quotes gathered years ago showing that Plame was undercover. The relevant section: "Four separate ex-CIA employees are now on the record saying Plame was undercover and ran a network of informants, and a fifth who knew Wilson and had 24 years at the Agency says he didn't know Plame worked there — which means her status was hardly common knowledge."

Bush said what he did about British intelligence because American intelligence agencies were unable to confirm it. We didn't go to war to uphold British honor, so that's a pretty shallow defense.

Whatever Cooper called Rove about is irrelevant. Many other reporters got calls about Plame, including Bob Novak, who told the world about an undercover agent. If you're so concerned about that, why are you saying this is just a partisan frenzy? Why shouldn't that investigation be news?

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Josh, Adam Liptak writes in the New York Times: " 'A fair reading of the e-mail as well as the context in which the conversation took place makes it clear that the information conveyed was not part of an organized effort to disclose Plame's identity,' Mr. Luskin said."

Your blog contends that there was some concerted effort to punish Wilson. The conversation with Cooper, which is the only one we know about with any certainty, indicates that is not the case. Not exactly the conclusion you have jumped to.

11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Josh, here's more. One of the sources you claim proves she was undercover is Larry Johnson, except he hasn't been in the government since 1993, hardly making him an expert on her status.

Facts are, the Wilsons are proven liars. The President appointed a special prosecutor to determine whether she was undercover at the time (an assumption you assume to be true) and if so, whether anyone violated the law in uncovering here.

Some of us would like to hear from the grand jury who are the only ones that have seen all the evidence before jumping on the Howard Dean/Wilson martyr bandwagon with you.

11:20 AM  
Blogger Nitpicker said...


1. The CIA has repeatedly said that Valerie Plame was undercover and did not recommend her husband.

2. The memo written by her wasn't a recommendation, but was required by her superiors, who knew who her husband was and were considering sending him to look into the claims.

3. Joe Wilson never claimed to have been sent by Cheney's office, but that he was told the request to look into uranium sales to Iraq had come from that office.

4. As a soldier, I know that one operational security (OPSEC) violation usually leads to the uncovering of more information. In this case, the outing of Valerie Plame burned an entire CIA front company.

5. Rove's motives are irrelevant.

6. "The CIA officer who wrote the memo that originally recommended Wilson for the mission -- who was cited anonymously by the senators as the only source who said that Plame was responsible -- was deeply upset at the twisting of his testimony, which was not public, and told Plame he had said no such thing."

7. These are not talking points. These are.

8. I believe that the poster "Democrats for Ryun" is the latter, but not the former.

11:20 AM  
Blogger Run with Ryun Team said...

Thanks for all your comments. We welcome a healthy debate.

We again reiterate the following statement we made yesterday, "We at Run with Ryun do not condone any violation of confidentiality that protects our CIA agents, nor any other violation of the law for that matter."

We look forward to the findings of the grand jury which has actually seen all the evidence.

11:31 AM  

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